Call down.  Lose to KK.

David wins!

I'm C/R the flop because a large percentage of the time he's making a  bet here.

I hated getting 3 bet and considered folding but in the very early stages of a limit MTT I'm going to showdown here.  And this was a $5 buy in tourny.  People do really stupid things at this stage and going to showdown was my only real option.

derf wrote:

WindyCityJ wrote:

I'm C/R the flop because a large percentage of the time he's making a  bet here.

Yeah, I know he is going to bet his entire range on the flop.  But I want to know what you think he is doign with 88-JJ after you c/r the flop.  Is he calling down...is he folding?

Too early in the tourney to tell. I've seen people jam 6 high here like it was the nuts the whole way.

David wrote:

Calling a 3b OOP HU pf and c/r the flop is super standard and wins more when ahead and loses less when behind.  Totally cannot fault that play.

I don't think I agree with you, but I don't know how tournaments play.

David wrote:

derf wrote:

David wrote:

Calling a 3b OOP HU pf and c/r the flop is super standard and wins more when ahead and loses less when behind.  Totally cannot fault that play.

I don't think I agree with you, but I don't know how tournaments play.

I'm applying ring game theory to this hand.

Capping OOP HU with big hands prohibits any sense of balance in your earlier position raises.  Never capping HU OOP allows you to cr all favorable flops and c/c or c/f all other flops allowing you to get 5 small bets in on the preflop + flop rounds when it you have what you believe is the best of it post flop and 3 or 4 small bets on those rounds when you believe you are either behind (c/f) or drawing live/have showdown value (c/c).

If you cap and lead the flop you almost never get more than 5 bets, sometimes 4, and always put in 4 or 5.

I don't think we are on the same page. I understand not capping preflop OOP HU with anything.....and then c/r the flop.  But here I am kind of ignoring the preflop play--in that raising and then just calling the 3-bet here is standard.

We raised in ep and got 3-bet, with no read, I would give this guy a fairly narrow range of hands.  99+, AQ+ as a default.  We are in decent shape against this range, but with the drawless board, when we play back on the flop, does he call down with 99-JJ?  Cause if he doesn't, then c/r the flop with win you the minimun when ahead and set you up to lose the max when behind (or pushed off the best hand). 

At six max or very aggressive games, I can see where c/r the flop is fairly standard, b/c you don't have to have a Q to do so...and so your opponent will call down litely or spew iwth something like TT.  But as a standard line in a live ring game...sans reads....I think the flop c/r is bad.